Re: Bottom-up versus Top-down

"Scott Stanchfield" <thetick@magelang.com>
2 Dec 1997 12:09:49 -0500

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From: "Scott Stanchfield" <thetick@magelang.com>
Newsgroups: comp.compilers
Date: 2 Dec 1997 12:09:49 -0500
Organization: MageLang Institute - http://www.MageLang.com
References: 97-11-123 97-11-155 97-11-180
Keywords: parse, LL(1)

I'd think with the advent of predicated LL(k) (used by PCCTS/ANTLR)
the "power of LALR" advantage disappears. In many areas, LL(k) has a
distinct advantage, especially when it comes to error repair and
recovery due to its "knowing where I've been" context.


I've yet to see a _real_ programming problem that could be solved with
LALR but could not be solved with LL(k).


To go a step further, there are even some languages that are more
difficult to implement in LALR (C++...)




The trick is to cast the mindset from the "LALR" way of writing a
grammar to the "LL(k)" way of writing a grammar. Yes, you have to
deal with left recursion and left-factoring, but it's not _that_ big
of a deal (see http://www.scruz.net/~thetick/lalrtoll.html)


The bigger problem seems to be along the lines of "BetaMax vs VHS" --
VHS had more software; there are more readily-available LALR
grammars... You usually get stuck converting LALR grammars to LL(k)


(Don't tell Frank DeRemer & Tom Pennello I just compared LALR to
VHS... I think I'm still friends with them ;)


-- Scott


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