|different results with different f77 optimizers firstname.lastname@example.org (Tom Keyes) (1995-09-24)|
|Re: different results with different f77 optimizers ah739@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (1995-09-29)|
|Re: different results with different f77 optimizers email@example.com (1995-09-30)|
|Re: different results with different f77 optimizers firstname.lastname@example.org (1995-10-05)|
|Re: different results with different f77 opti email@example.com (1995-10-05)|
|Re: different results with different f77 optimizers firstname.lastname@example.org (1995-10-06)|
|From:||ah739@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leslie J. Somos)|
|Keywords:||Fortran, optimize, comment|
|Organization:||Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)|
|Date:||Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:56:05 GMT|
In a previous article, email@example.com (Tom Keyes) says:
> I am running some molecular dynamics simulations on an SGI 150 MHz
>'Challenger' with IRIX 5.2. I compile the Fortran source with f77
>-O3 -non_shared;if I try -O3 alone I get a message that the system does
>not support -O3 in 'shared' mode, please use non_shared. The program
>compiles and runs fine. Recently I recompiled with no optimizer,which I
>understand leads to the default '-O1'. Again the program compiled and
>ran fine-the same identical program-but now one of the calculated
>quantities was radically different. I have checked enough now to verify
>that these two different optimizers really do lead to different results.
I would trust the unoptimized version more.
See CMG Transactions (CMG=Computer Measurement Group)
number 52, Spring 1986, article "Do Fortran Compilers Really Optimize?"
by Dr. David S. Lindsay.
He compares optimized and unoptimized versions of Fortran code
specifically coded to be optimizable, on commercial compilers.
Quote from his Conclusion:
"1. Compiler optimization of generated code is haphazard at best.
2. Compiler optimization if _not_ a mature technology, at least
not if IBM's VS FORTRAN and DEC's VAX/VMS FORTRAN are representative.
3. Trade, technical, and academic sources have no basis for their
dogma about how all optimizing compilers do so-and-so.
4. Empirical tests are _badly_ needed to verify vendors' claims of
their compilers' generation of optimized code.
5. Empirical tests are probably also the only way to improve
6. Academics should have their students run tests, not just
He makes available the sources of his FORTRAN Compiler Optimization Checker
if you agree to actually run them against your local compiler and
send him back the results. He is Dr. David S. Lindsay
585 Manet Terrace
Sunnyvale, CA 94007
(The article is from 1986, I have no idea if this address is stale.)
[I also wonder if the optimization biz has advanced any in the past decade.
I sure hope so. -John]
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