|How to justify teaching compilers email@example.com (Pg Nor Jaidi Pg Tuah) (2004-10-02)|
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|From:||Gene Wirchenko <email@example.com>|
|Date:||4 Oct 2004 00:50:38 -0400|
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|Posted-Date:||04 Oct 2004 00:50:38 EDT|
"Pg Nor Jaidi Pg Tuah" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>Dear compiler-loving academics,
>With the fast expanding frontier of computer science, and the
>(unreasonable) expectation that CS graduates be fully "productive"
>from day 1 of their work, CS curriculum must include more "hot"
>topics, squeezing out "old fashioned" stuff.
I recently graduated from a diploma program (finally getting
formal credentials). I remember a problem that was part of an
assignment in second semester. It was to implement a simple
calculator. Many found it QUITE difficult. I thought that it looked
as if an FSA would do the trick, and yes, that was so. I found the
problem fairly easy.
Who was fully productive?
I have used FSAs in other areas. They are great for data
>Thus I find my "compiler is fun" argument losing to "compiler
>knowledge is not so useful anymore" argument, especially when more
>than half of the students would likely find the subject terribly
>difficult. If you are in this situation, and you have no strong
>compiler research group to back you up (if you have a compiler
>research group, you wouldn't be in this situation, would you?), how
>would you justify keeping/introducing your beloved compiler course?
I have also developed small languages. I wish I knew more, so I
could do a better job.
>If you can compromise and reduce compiler to just a few hours of
>lectures (embedded in, say, "systems programming"), what would you
The coffin of the person requiring the compromise? <BEG> Sorry,
I can not compromise.
>[I don't think many CS students are likely to write a C compiler,
>but most of them are going to write things that are scanners or parsers,
>even if they don't call them that. -John]
As I did above.
It also helps in understanding how the scanners, parsers, and
compilers that I use do work. It can lead to better performance
and... Ah, sorry, I forgot. Compilers are supposed to be impractical.
I apologise for being fully productive again.
[Drop the rejection notice, Mr. Levine. I was only kidding about
the last bit.]
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